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- From: jtv@xs4all.nl (Jeroen T. Vermeulen)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: Why are europeans dumb enough to buy amigas?
- Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 05:27:30
- Organization: Leiden University, Mathematics & Computer Science, The Netherlands
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- In article <31543cef.961588@news.onramp.net> dcorn@paradise.pplnet.com (David Corn) writes:
-
- > The Amiga requires just an Amiga, but the resolution starts at a
- > laughable 640x200x4 colors, and the maximum normal WB screen is
- > 640x400x256 colors. It's a joke. No OLE, no Internet, no networking,
-
- Having read your post with interest, I feel the need to make a few minor
- comments:
-
- - Resolutions on the Amiga start even lower than that. So what? It means you
- can use less graphics memory and need less hardware clout to move it around.
- It has advantages that are hard to get on another system. On the other hand
- the Amiga can also do stuff like 1400 x 560. Sure, you need a graphics card
- or those resolutions will look terrible. But that's no different for the
- other platforms except that market conditions there happen to be better at
- the moment so the cards are cheaper.
- I guess you'll never buy a Jaguar or a Rolls Royce--they start at a laughable
- three miles per hour.
-
- - No OLE... So what? It's not a feature, it's a product (or a standard, if
- you will). We don't have "Little-Endian arithmetic" either. But we do have
- commodities/pipe devices/datatypes and the much cleaner Big-Endian
- arithmetic. Does your car have OLE? No? What a joke!
-
- - No networking? Not as part of the OS, no. But I was doing nicely with open
- standards and a dynamic multi-OS multi-stack Amiga network when Microsoft
- still needed Novell to do the networking for them.
- The OS is the equivalent of a government. Not everything needs to be built
- into it. In a communist society, the State controls the telephone services.
- Thus a communist might say that "the US government is a real joke: They
- don't even have telephone!"
-
- Oh well, at least our non-standard networking support doesn't pull tricks like
- dumping bogus MS-defined packets onto the Internet or refusing to work if you
- have the wrong kind of graphics card. And we can apply any necessary patches
- regardless of which language we happen to run the OS in.
-
- But as you say, the Amiga is the platform with the "plenty of other stupid
- problems" so I guess that as an Amiga user I shouldn't be pointing fingers at
- others.
-
-
- > no extensive customized OS-wide modem support,
-
- Assuming you mean "The OS-wide modem support (apart from the SANA standard and
- the xpr libraries etc) isn't extensive enough to my taste", I agree with you for
- OS 3.0. Fortunately that doesn't say much about 3.2.
-
- Still I'm envious of my PC friends: Networking suddenly disabling itself of its
- own accord (and not coming back up after a reboot), modem settings unexpectedly
- overwritten by some part of the OS that had a bad day at the Office, and now
- completely useless support for the all but deceased MS Network (which I hear can
- sabotage your Internet software as a free bonus) with its "in the low hundreds"
- of content providers.
-
-
- > no modern printer support,
-
- You didn't get the word about 3.2 *at all*, did you?
-
-
- > >Oh the subject of Win 95, a couple of points. Plug and Play. HAven't amigas had
- > >basically the same thing for years?
- >
- > Not really. They've had autoconfig. The user still has to mess with
- > setting up the software on the Amiga.
-
- If you choose "Expert Mode" in the standard Installer window, yes. So far I
- feel we've been pretty lucky compared to PC users: I hear true horror stories
- when installing OS/2 or Windows 95, or Oracle or MS-Office using the various
- ad-hoc installation tools. Especially mice appear to be a problem with Windows
- 95: One of the luckiest escapes I've heard so far was a guy who hacked his old
- 16-bit mouse driver to work under the new OS.
-
- Or there was the proud owner of a brand-new big-name Plug-and-Play
- motherboard and a brand-new big-name Plug-and-Play sound card and a brand-new
- big-name Plug-and-Play BIOS and the brand-new Plug-and-Play big-name Windows 95
- CD ("Great OS except for the problems with my CD driver") that refused to work
- together. It took him and the various big-name manufacturers a few weeks of
- research to work out that he'd have to buy an upgrade because of a brand-new
- Plug-and-Play BIOS bug.
-
- Of course these stories are just from people I know personally, so I can't say I
- have a real overview of the Wonderful World of PnP.
-
- The only Amiga horror story I have to tell is when I had to mess around with IDE
- *hardware*. Of course my A4000 recognized the device by itself (I decided
- against giving it an intuitive name like "F:\" though) but with SCSI I doubt I
- would have had this amount of trouble at all.
-
-
- > Absolutely false. I recently added a CDROM to my system. I stuck it
- > in, connected it, and turned the machine on. With no interaction on
- > my part, it found the CDROM, and I then saw it as another drive
- > letter. Case closed.
-
- Drive letter? What's that? I thought those went out with MS-DOS.
-
- "Case Closed".
-
-
- > Perhaps because Amiga technology really hasn't progressed for 3 years,
- > and so software technology really hasn't changed much in that time
- > either? Or perhaps because you are happy to ignore just how poorly
- > AGA fares next to more modern technology? Or perhaps the new things
- > offered in Win95 aren't understood by you?
-
- Sheesh, at least we don't have to play flashy games to convince ourselves that
- our machines are OK.
-
- I can't help feeling that your emphasis on fashionable gimmicks like graphics
- and sound is just a layer of sugar over the turd you force yourself to swallow.
- Go ahead and eat what you like--just don't start bothering fruit eaters to tell
- them about the lovely sugar they're missing.
-
- --
- ============================================================================
- # Jeroen T. Vermeulen \"How are we doing kid?"/ Yes, we use Amigas. #
- #--- jtv@xs4all.nl ---\"Oh, same as always."/-- ... --#
- #jvermeul@wi.leidenuniv.nl \ "That bad, huh?" / Got a problem with that? #
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